Sucks to have to roll the dice :P
Like the whole "Better the devil you know" sort of deal. Not the greatest way to have to live :P

Considering the death toll after we won*, left, and then betrayed the south and let the north take over? No, it really doesn't.

It does sound a lot like pop-culture depicts Vietnam, but that doesn't actually have a lot of overlap with reality.

* Yes, militarily, we won, both in pure "capability to make war" terms (theirs was largely destroyed, as their own documents showed decades later) and in "we can make you do what we want" terms (we demanded they come to Paris for the peace accords or we would continue bombing Hanoi - they came).

I was comment about the carnage for nothing & high civilian death toll. No one won that war even the north after all the death & destruction.
Body count is never a win.

"I was comment about the carnage for nothing & high civilian death toll."

Considering the MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH higher civilian death toll without us there to stop it, I have a pretty big objection to your definition of "nothing".

"Body count is never a win."

That is not a useful definition, as then, no one ever wins wars, and clearly, in history, there are wars one side won and one side lost, even when both sides have large body counts. (There are also plenty of wars with no clear winner, just a high body count.)

I guess you can win a war, objective-wise, but I think Jamie's point is more so that nobody is really a 'winner' when a war is fought.
Kind of like, if someone's forcing you to fight a war, even if they're dicks and you kick their ass in every conceivable way you can, they've still succeeded in forcing you to have to do an awful thing with your soldiers and citizens. Like the Allies won WW2, but the world lost by having to even go through it in the first place.

At any rate, the Vietnam comparison comes from the sense that, regardless of who is in the right and/or wrong, it still really sucks for the people in the middle. The kids, and whatnot. Which is, in my opinion, true of literally any war that's happened / will happen.

You know, I actually toyed with not doing the newspaper thing, haha.
A small detail that I weirdly gave a lot of thought while thinking about it -
So Atropos is supposed to be this far-flung planet, entirely dependent on foreign supplies, plus it's a desert-ish world without a ton of resources of its own, so it seems odd that, in the very far future, they would not only still even USE newspapers, but also waste valuable resources on them in a time of strife and starvation, haha.

But on the other hand, I was like "Fuck it" so here we are :D

Much like all of the other "Would they still have that in the future?" things I choose to ignore and include anyways :D